Amber Temples (yes, plural)

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Re: Amber Temples (yes, plural)

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thekristhomas wrote: As such does it define the DPs in any way? (cos if it does then it's automatically non-canon and I don't have to buy it)
It explicitly DOES define the DPs as vestiges of evil Gods. Most of us ignore it.
thekristhomas wrote:Alhoon, your Prime Material Amber Temple, is it in PM Barovia?
Nope. It's in the PM that I use.
thekristhomas wrote:and is it where the original deal with "Death" was struck?
Kinda. The bargain was retconned along with much of Strahd's backstory. You see, "Death" and the Dark Powers are the entities trapped in the Amber Temple and they sustain themselves through Strahd.
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thekristhomas wrote:I could imagine a campaign where the main plot might involve visiting "every" Amber Temple (going back to what I was saying earlier about them being leveled) and gaining some form of "blessing", be it info or power, necessary for the completion of the quest, or indeed the next stage of the quest. Of course the PCs would have to have "currency" to trade and after the first several fragments of their souls are gone, they might start thinking about trying to obtain some transferable souls.
Or, they realize what is actually going on and the resulting horror spurs a change of heart and they are now possessed with near fanatical drive to try and undo these intentionally failed powers checks (to the PCs "betrayals"). The long road of redemption begins...a potentially fun way for players to play two sides of the alignment coin with the same character.

I'm just thinking of ways to stop the broker, "destroy" the Amber Temple, and other such weaknesses that a good party of PCs can exploit. I'm also touching up on "Pact Magic" in 3.5's Tome of Magic, to see what else I can dredge.
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Five wrote: Do you have any ideas on who this "broker" is, or should be? I'm not a fan of Exethanter. At all. Even his name sounds too...wizardly (in a classic D&D sense). That being said, it could be a being of many names, each domain potentially even knowing it by multiple names throughout the Amber Temple's "collection periods". It needs to be a being that can keep these soul traders in check (never do you piss off the debt collector!), or possess abilities (levels, CR, etc) that can do as much. Or maybe the broker plays more the aristocrat and has creatures that do such "dirty work"? For if it is the DPs then it can do as it pleases, whenever it pleases (through their "avatar"). If it's not, then I'm sure whoever/whatever it is ultimately feeding these souls and soul fragments to would be more than happy to lend some authority...for a price.

Hell, this broker could even be a no-level unique undead. If people want to toss it around and abuse it, burn it, dismember it, etc, then they do so with little/no resistance. But it comes back, fully "healed" a round later: "Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. Now that wasn't very pleasant. Quite rude in fact. Moving forward, as I was saying, under the terms of this negotiation you would have to..."

Personally, I picture the broker being more like a Cenobite than this, maybe even the Tall Man (for an arguably even creepier appearance - normalish), but I couldn't help but offer the gag. haha
I like the idea overall (the temple that is) as a place where those dark desires can come true. I like the idea of the 'dark lord' or broker of some sort being something other than the Dark Powers themselves. If I had a concept of a steward of the Amber Temple, it would be someone who bargained and lost everything and not a straight up Dark Lord. Some one who desired something so dark and sinister that it's conclusion cemented their soul into the fabric of the place. I look at something like the end of Aladdin
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where the villain court mage desired total and epic power and attained it by becoming the being of infinite power (and teeny living space), a genie himself. I don't know if this is really a spoiler as anyone who wanted to see it already would have, but you never know.
Something like that. A normal person who is cursed with the task of dealing with people until someone makes a similarly dumb deal that places them in the same role. What the specifics are and who the person is would need to be fleshed out. I see a person like the surviving knight from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Not everything has to be undead (hell, he doesn't have to be evil), just a person who has now realized the foolishness of their ways and even tie it in with the lich (who is now freed from before) from CoS (if I am reading this right, I am assuming it takes place long ago in the Barovian calendar). A good aligned person who made a foolish deal now has to try to get others to make their darkest wishes come true and have them word it in such a way to finally free him/her from this servitude. Do they keep searching hoping to find a replacement? Do they do anything that could eventually end their existence?
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Dark Angel wrote:If I had a concept of a steward of the Amber Temple, it would be someone who bargained and lost everything and not a straight up Dark Lord. Some one who desired something so dark and sinister that it's conclusion cemented their soul into the fabric of the place. *** A normal person who is cursed with the task of dealing with people until someone makes a similarly dumb deal that places them in the same role. What the specifics are and who the person is would need to be fleshed out. I see a person like the surviving knight from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Not everything has to be undead (hell, he doesn't have to be evil), just a person who has now realized the foolishness of their ways and even tie it in with the lich (who is now freed from before) from CoS (if I am reading this right, I am assuming it takes place long ago in the Barovian calendar). A good aligned person who made a foolish deal now has to try to get others to make their darkest wishes come true and have them word it in such a way to finally free him/her from this servitude. Do they keep searching hoping to find a replacement? Do they do anything that could eventually end their existence?
Good point, yeah. And definitely better themed. Really carries the RL banner higher...nice.
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I altered the amber temple I'm running in CoS. I made it a place where Strahd and another lich (easy guess) made extreme studies to escape the plane. Exethanter was left as a keeper of the temple by Azalin.
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May I suggest you actually drop Exethanter's CR then when his memories are restored?
In fact, making something OTHER than a lich? Like... a greater mummy? Cause those are the traditional Ravenloft staff used to guard temples.

Don't want a mummy? Go for a naga. Because those are the traditional 5e staff used to guard places. I really, REALLY don't know why CoS had to include a CR 21 creature in the adventure. Even Inajira\other-arcanoloth is a bit too hot for the place. OK, I guess if a fiend had to stay there for centuries it would be an arcanoloth, but still... it's a CR12 creature and Strahd is CR15.
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I might make him a mummy. Good idea.

Could make him an old wizard.
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Well, the problem with "old wizard" is that there are two pacts to be made to get undeath.
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alhoon wrote:Well, the problem with "old wizard" is that there are two pacts to be made to get undeath.

Not if you just do the lich one.
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